Russia to Give Land in the East… but to Who?

Read More: https://www.rt.com/business/345022-russia-far-east-free-land/

I suspect if Russia is serious about this project, without using political prisoners and massive concentration camps, the only hope is going to be opening up the region, or at least select parts of it, to non-Russians who are adventurous or desperate. As Europe further collapses I suspect there will be millions of European refugees looking for someplace to go.

Its either going to be that or the Chinese will eventually just take over Eastern Russia.

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51 Responses to Russia to Give Land in the East… but to Who?

  1. Croatian Capitalist says:

    As much as I dislike the current mainland Chinese leadership (I don’t like the Taiwanese one either, but for different reasons), if I had to bet on it, I would put money on the Chinese (and the other East Asians to a lesser extent), the region is vastly under-populated as it is and young Russians are fleeing en mass to the European part of Russia, and even if millions of Europeans do flee Western Europe for Russia, I think that it would as well mostly be to places like Moscow, Sankt Petersburg and Sochi, not the Russian Far East.

    Anyway, while we are on the subject of Russia and since we are both avid book readers, this might be a good upcoming book: https://www.amazon.com/Putin-Downfall-Russias-Coming-Crash/dp/0312538081

    • fafc says:

      Well I don’t think the Chinese will cause a problem for Russia unless the Russians wholly fail to populate the place themselves to the point there is no law and order. The Chinese I have met are mostly looking to get away from China, not convert anyplace to China. In fact I cannot think of a single example of that happening. But if Russia fails to properly develop the necessary infrastructure and systems then I could see Chinese immigrants looking across the border for assistance.

      I personally would still like a little farm outside of Vladivostok. Just looks like a lovely place.

      • Croatian Capitalist says:

        I didn’t imply that there would be military action or anything like that, just that if the Russians don’t get their act together soon, the demographic trends and East Asian investment would make the region de facto Chinese/East Asian.

        As for the region surrounding Vladivostok, it does look nice, but even ignoring everything else that is negative about Russia, I don’t like the climate of the Vladivostok region, it is cold and windy (and the winds can be quite savage), so unless “global warming” finally starts being an actual fact, I wouldn’t consider moving to any other region apart from the one Sochi is located in.

  2. Croatian Capitalist says:

    Yes, Quebec is probably more like it.

  3. Croatian Capitalist says:

    https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-offshore-wealth-capital-flight-income-inequality-report/28695293.html

    I have lost all hope for Russia as a country, when you look at the gigantic corruption (and I don’t just mean financial corruption, Russia also has an AIDS epidemic and other serious problems going on) in Russia, the mentality of the common people, and when you read about Russian history, Russia’s future seems to be very bleak.

  4. Croatian Capitalist says:

    Anyway, I am about halfway through the book I posted above, and so far it seems to generally good account on Putin and his Russia, but there is also interesting information about some other countries (like for example that in East Germany 1 in every 6,5 people was a government informant, what a sick society to live in that must have been).

  5. Croatian Capitalist says:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-radiation-nuclear-radioactive-mayak-urals-southern-greenpeace-chernobyl-a8067386.html

    This is yet another reason why I wouldn’t like to live in Russia, not only do they have a poor track record of caring for sensitive materials and equipment, but when something bad like this happens, they also try to cover it up for as long as possible, which leads to many people unnecessarily getting sick and/or dying.

  6. Croatian Capitalist says:

    https://www.rt.com/business/432375-russia-south-africa-farmers/

    Good on the Russians if this actually ends up happening, but the very fact that Whites facing having their land stolen and/or getting murdered in South Africa have to look at Putin’s Russia as a possible refuge shows how pathetic the modern West has become, they have no problem taking in third world savages and/or parasites en masse in as “refugees”, but their own ethnic kindred whose lives and property are actually in danger and are hard working, intelligent and wouldn’t live off welfare, nor cause cultural divisions? Not a chance!

    • fafc says:

      Bingo. They don’t want hard working people who can become independent. They want useless tools who they can manipulate.

      • Croatian Capitalist says:

        I would guess that is the end goal of the powers that be in the West, make at least 95% of the population “retarded” and completely dependent on the government, so that they can have absolute power and rule over them in perpetuity, while the 5% or less that wouldn’t be retarded would be in charge of their security, keeping the infrastructure going, etc., but in the end I don’t think that things will work out quite like they plan them to…

    • fafc says:

      I remember the old Russian joke: be kind to your wife, never beat her with the claw end of the hammer.

      It is a pity that Russia and Russians are so xenophobic (perhaps for good reason). The country is in need of skilled entrepreneurs in all sorts of industries. Not because the Russians aren’t skilled, but just because there are not enough of them to fill the gaps. The proper immigrants could help tremendously. I have heard that Russia has accepted something like 15,000 South Afrikans to come to Russia to start farming. There is plenty of land, and a hundred years of bad practice to make up for.

  7. Croatian Capitalist says:

    Its no wonder Russian women marry foreigners any chance they get.

    If we are talking about ordinary Russians, they are xenophobic mostly towards Cental Asians and people from the Caucasus, I don’t see them having issues with ordinary Westerners, but in any case, I don’t don’t think xenophobia has anything to do with Russia’s immigration policy, my view is that Russia’s government is like Croatia’s, it doesn’t want self-sufficient people, it wants people who are dependent on it, because if you are dependent on the government, then the government controls you, but if the majority of people became self-sufficient and had money, then it would be game over for Putin and his criminal circle.

    I have read that they plan to accept 15000 of them, but nothing has been confirmed so far as far as I know.

  8. Croatian Capitalist says:

    https://www.rt.com/business/447815-russia-natural-resources-sanctions/

    I guess Putin’s propaganda channel put this article up to show how rich Russia is, but in reality it just shows how incompetent and/or corrupt the people running Russia are, Russia with all of it’s natural resources should easily be one of the countries with the highest standards of living in the World, but Russia’s standard of living is at about the level of Bosnia and Herzegovina (a divided socialist basket-case country which suffered serious devastation in the 1990’s war, and which unlike Russia has no serious amounts of natural resources such as oil, gas, etc.), it is really staggering how much wasted potential Russia has.

    • fafc says:

      I have to disagree with you. The people who run Russia have an extremely high standard of living, and that after all is the only thing that really matters. And if the Russians are happy with that who am I tell them differently?

      • Croatian Capitalist says:

        That is true, if the average Russian has no problem with having a low standard of living and living in a corrupt country, then I have no reason to care about Russia either.

        • fafc says:

          It is not the worse place, and it is not the best. In a way as long as the rules are fair, so to speak, who am I to say what’s best? If any young kid named Vlad can dream of joining the secret security apparatus and someday become a billionaire or better, is that really better than other systems on an absolute basis?

          • Croatian Capitalist says:

            Well, I think Russia being the way it is (gigantic, dysfunctional and the people who run it having no real ideology apart from keeping themselves rich) might be good for one thing, namely founding new communities, could you imagine something like Waco happening in today’s Russia? I couldn’t, actually the Russian equivalent (The Church of the Last Testament) to the Branch Dravidians has existed in Siberia since 1990 and neither do they bother the government, nor does the government bother them.

          • fafc says:

            A good point. Russia is not egalitarian, and it is not a meritocracy, but it is also not an authoritarian aristocracy, and as long as you don’t directly piss off the leadership you are fine. Anyone can get into the oligarchy, it just is a bit of mystery to everyone exactly how to do it (and I suspect the mystery is as profoundly puzzling to those currently in the oligarchy as it is to those outside looking in). Who knows it might just be incredibly dumb luck??? I look at some of them and I think the emphasis should be on ‘dumb’.

  9. Croatian Capitalist says:

    Branch Davidians, not Dravidians (!) in the post above.

  10. Croatian Capitalist says:

    Yes, it is mostly the case of just being at the right place at the right time, I don’t know any of the Russian oligarchs, but I have meet several of their Croatian equivalents and/or their children, and calling them as dumb as a sack of rocks would be insulting to the rocks.

    • fafc says:

      Here in Georgia we have our very own oligarch named Bidzina Ivanishvili. Everyone treats him like a genius because he has billions of dollars that he acquired in Russia doing some very shady deals. He is not a fool, but neither is he a Bill Gates or an Elon Musk. His skill is fucking over his friends before they fuck him over… before they even realize they are being fucked over. He is not a creator or an innovator (and I suspect that he is more afraid of such people and any system that would reward them since he knows he cannot compete) than he is afraid of guys like himself who he understands very well and knows how to deal with. It is not the worst thing in the world. Here in Georgia it creates an environment where smart guys have to keep a very low profile. If they start doing too well too publicly they are going to be punished. On the other hand if they keep a low profile, hide their success from the ‘big guys’ as much as possible, they can pretty much do whatever they want to do and run circles around the establishment. The problem is Western propaganda that some very smart people here buy into. They think Georgia is going to turn into the USA any day now, and that Bidzina Ivanishvili and his buddies will just sit there and let it happen. They make a lot of noise, draw a lot of attention to themselves, and then get crushed… or at least disappointed. I think most of the world is like that, and frankly the USA is going in that direction too. The time of the small tinkerer working in his garage coming up with something revolutionary is over, at least in the USA. So Georgia is ok, and most places like it are ok too. Just don’t rock the boat, don’t think you have a right to be heard, or a right to play fair with the big boys. What you have the right to do is be quiet, clever, and very sneaky. Just my .02 worth.

  11. Croatian Capitalist says:

    http://siberiantimes.com/other/others/news/eerie-black-snow-falls-over-siberian-region-triggering-acute-pollution-concerns-from-locals/

    Many parts of Russia have serious problems with pollution (Norilsk might be the most famous example), so if anyone is considering Russia, that is one of the things that it would be wise to look into before making the move.

  12. Croatian Capitalist says:

    This Russian airport is listed among the world’s best: https://www.rt.com/business/451633-five-star-russian-airport/

    A positive story from Russia for once, Rostov-on-Don probably would be one of the better place to move to in Russia, it is developing nicely, it’s region is one of the safest in Russia, it is one of the least cold places in Russia, etc.

    • fafc says:

      It does look nice. I still think Vladivostock would be the best location for an open free trade zone. But that will never happen.

      • Croatian Capitalist says:

        Vladivostok would be the best location for something like that, thanks to it’s proximity to China, Korea and Japan, and it’s access to the Pacific Ocean, but I think that Rostov-on-Don would be a better place for everyday living.

  13. Croatian Capitalist says:

    Nearly a third of Russia’s population will be Muslim within 15 years, country’s grand mufti predicts: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6773973/Nearly-Russias-population-Muslim-15-years-countrys-grand-mufti-predicts.html

    It wouldn’t surprise me if this ended up being true, especially since it seems that Russia’s government wants to bring in more immigrants from Central Asia.

    • fafc says:

      It should be interesting to see how Russians respond.

      • Croatian Capitalist says:

        I don’t think that there will be a real response, the Russian government itself wants more Central Asian immigrants (https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/03/14/kremlin-seeks-russian-speaking-migrants-to-offset-population-decline-a64806), as far as I know Putin’s security apparatus has neutralized (in one way or the other) all of those nationalist organizations which opposed Muslim immigration from Central Asia, the Caucusus, etc., the Russian intelligentsia has left Russia by the millions over the last 30 years, so I don’t really see anyone who is capable and willing to organize serious resistance to this on the horizon, and if the Russians don’t want Russia to turn into a Muslim country, they don’t have much time left, if the grand mufti’s prediction ends up being accurate, that is if Muslims end up being 1/3 of Russia’s overall population in 2034, that means that at least 40% of Russia’s newborns will be Muslim in 2034, so that means that they will mass the 50% mark by 2050, so by 2068 at the latest Muslims would make up the majority of Russia’s voters, so by 2070 Russia will officially become a Muslim country unless the Russians do something to stop it within the next decade or two at the most, and considering that Putin’s clique is likely to hold on to power for at least another decade, I don’t see anything being done about it as realistic.

  14. Croatian Capitalist says:

    https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/04/04/record-number-of-russians-want-to-emigrate-gallup-a65092

    Even the Russians themselves don’t believe in a positive future for Russia.

    • fafc says:

      That has always been the case. The Russians are a very negative group. However, once they leave most end up going back, so it must not be so bad. 😉

      • Croatian Capitalist says:

        Do they? There are millions of immigrants from Russia in Germany alone, and I don’t remember seeing a single article that would indicate any significant number of them going back to Russia.

        Anyway, since we are writing about emigration and belief (or lack thereof) in a country’s future, I would also like to expand it to Croatia’s situation, the people who emigrated during Yugoslav times, the vast majority of them emigrated with a plan to return, because they believed that the communist regime would eventually collapse and that Croatia would become a free country, but now the majority of those emigrating have absolutely no plans (I personally know plenty of people who have sold everything they owned here and moved to Germany, Canada, etc.) to ever return (and in many cases, these are the country’s best people), that is how disgusted they are with the communists in power and the general situation in the country, they have (as have I) lost all hope that things here will ever get better.

        • fafc says:

          That is sad. As for Russians returning, I cannot remember where I read it but the numbers are quite high for them. Of all nationalities who leave Russians have a very high percentage that return.

          • Croatian Capitalist says:

            Well, I guess it could depend on the country, Germany has a quite large community of Russians and it isn’t getting any smaller, the USA also has a constantly growing Russian community, etc., while on the other hand it would make sense if the Russians working in places like the UAE, Qatar, etc. don’t stay there for very long.

          • fafc says:

            The article, as I remember, was focused on Russians living in the USA and more particularly New York City. Yes, there is a large community with a constant stream of new people coming in, but also a very large percentage returns to Russia.

  15. Croatian Capitalist says:

    I wouldn’t want to live in New York City either. 😀

    • fafc says:

      Well if Russians are anything like Georgians, and from what I have seen in the regard they are, they will only go to either New York City or Los Angeles. Anything else is simply unimaginable. As such they end up being stuck in rather miserable ghettos where they are living very much the same lives they would be living in Russia (or Georgia) only at 5 times the costs, and zero cultural accommodations.

  16. Croatian Capitalist says:

    The fact that they return to Russia might not be caused by them wanting to return to Russia, but rather by visa expirations.

    • fafc says:

      No. It is choices on their part. They just don’t like it as much as they thought they would. And the same goes for Georgians.

    • fafc says:

      Frankly I saw the same thing happening with Latvians and Estonians about 15 to 20 years ago. All they wanted to do was get out and go to the West where they wouldn’t have to work, and money would just grow on trees, etc. It didn’t work out that way so they ended up going back home with some new found skills and hopefully a bit of wisdom and experience as well.

  17. croatiancapitalist says:

    “According to a recent report by RBK, citing government sources, Russia is finalizing legislation that would create a preferential tax regime in the Far East via establishing several international priority development areas in the region. In such areas, businesses would be exempt from both federal and regional income taxes for a period of ten years. The bill also stipulates a reduced rate of insurance premiums.”: https://www.rt.com/business/590441-putin-liberal-economic-development/

    • fafc says:

      I am always in favor of reducing taxes… but… however… lower taxes on their own will not stimulate business development (unless of course the taxes in question are confiscatory in nature). ‘Reasonable’ tax rates fairly and honestly levied do not stifle development. There are two things that are much more discouraging: 1. Government Corruption, and 2. Out-of-control Government Regulations (which encourage corruption). If you want development then focus on these 2 things (unless the tax rate is confiscatory), and then lower the taxes as icing on the cake as development leads to high tax revenue.

      • croatiancapitalist says:

        Agreed, before joining the EU, Croatia actually had something like this for the parts of Croatia most damaged during the war, but of course it didn’t really help, since those parts of Croatia were and are the most corrupt and poorest parts of the country, plus they for the most part have bad infrastructure and small populations, and thus nobody in their right mind moved their companies there.

  18. croatiancapitalist says:

    And another issue with the Russian Far East is of course the fact that weather-wise it is one of the worst places in the World to live in, Yakutsk is the coldest major city in the World, the strongest wind (called južak) in the World blows year-round in the part of Chukotka where the town of Pevek (the northernmost town in Russia) is located, etc., also Kamchatka and the Kuril Islands are part of the Pacific Ring of Fire.

  19. croatiancapitalist says:

    In conclusion, I think this program probably will attract some people and companies to the major cities in the area like Vladivostok and Khabarovsk, but it won’t have any affect worth noting on the the areas of the Russian Far East that are actually in need of “demographic revitalization”.

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